#Lollys Stokeworth

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[catofoldstones]

I hope Bronn dies in a freak accident and Lollys gets all her inheritance that is due to her after so much grief, violence, and loss.

[anira-naeg]

Jenny dancing on the old stones

Unnecessary women (Lollys, Pia, Falia)

[ladylollys]

minor character appreciation moment! i really love tanda stokeworth. we don't see much of her, but what we do see is pretty much always her trying to support and advocate for her disabled daughter as best she can within the limited influence available to her. i think she is so obsessed with marrying lollys off not to get rid of her, but because marriage to a relatively compassionate man from a good family is the best way to ensure that lollys will have someone to take care of her and a respectable place in the world after her mother is gone. its not a perfect solution, but i think its one of the most intriguing examples of how ladies in asoiaf use what limited leverage they have to protect themselves or the people they love.

and lady tanda definitely loves her child. when lollys went missing during the bread riots, she lost her mind with fear and had to be physically restrained from rushing back into the rioters to rescue lollys herself. that moment was such gutpunch.

also, tanda stokeworth and her daughters canonically wear matching outfits on special occasions. i know its probably just their house colors, but i like to picture them in cute mother-daughter clothing sets :-)

[coldraindropsss]

Aemon Steelsong, Tyrion Tanner, Monster

[daenerysoftarth]

we should talk about lollys stokeworth more, she deserved better and i remember being really unnerved every time she was mentioned in acok and asos because of the casual way the brutality inflicted on her was mentioned... i know part of that is because that IS the environment of westeros, but at the same time a highborn woman being raped by lowborn men being dashed aside by the gov seems historically inaccurate and unnecessarily violent in nature. even if im being generous with germ and say hes trying to portray the complete dehumanization of disabled people as a contrast to tyrion himself, it's still a very sloppy and callous way to do so, and is undermined by the fact that lollys herself never has more than like.. 2 lines and the ableism isnt explicitly called out in text like tyrion's experiences with discrimination are. it really feels like she was written in as a joke, and i dont understand what the point of her character arc (or her character at all) is beyond portraying an extremely grotesque view of disabled women and their treatment in the middle ages

[redwolf17]

TBH I'm a little uncomfortable with the implication that Olyvar R. had sex with Lollys, but I'm going to hope that she had the mental wherewithal to consent.

Lollys Stokeworth is intellectually disabled, but she’s canonically quite capable of expressing opinions and of coherent speech. Her level of capacity is somewhat vague, and she was probably a bit frightened of being forced to wed, but then, Olyvar R didn’t get a choice in the marriage either. Lollys is his wife, consummation is expected, and so it happened. Neither of them were thrilled, or traumatized.

If it makes you feel better, my head canon is that they only have sex for procreation, and Olyvar R has a discreet mistress to take care of his needs otherwise.

[horizon-verizon]

The Seven Kingdoms were full of highborn maidens, but even the oldest, poorest, and ugliest spinster in the realm would balk at wedding such lowborn scum as Bronn. Unless she was soft of body and soft of head, with a fatherless child in her belly from having been raped half a hundred times. Lady Tanda had been so desperate to find a husband for Lollys that she had even pursued Tyrion for a time, and that had been before half of King's Landing enjoyed her. No doubt Cersei had sweetened the offer somehow, and Bronn was a knight now, which made him a suitable match for a younger daughter of a minor house.

-- A Storm of Swords - Tyrion IX

[aegor-bamfsteel]

We have to, because it’s not like GRRM has.

This is such a great drawing of a rare subject; she looks very kind, and I like the contrast between dress and jewelry.

Please be nice to Lollys. 

[catofoldstones]

WHY is there so much rape in ASOIAF? Hmm? Why did Lollys have to suffer so much? What’s the point of the black knights raping Craster’s daughter? Knights my ass. Like literally how does that push the story forward? HOW does that fulfill any theme in the books?

Fuck that. How does describing Sansa’s body like that serve any purpose, with grown men staring at her like that? Is this how he wants to portray girlhood and growing up? How does Dany being assaulted by Jorah and not having any power over it serve? It’s not even a commentary on no matter how powerful a woman (who’s literally just a girl right now) becomes she’s still susceptible to gendered violence. Also what does it say when you still want a powerful woman (🙄) get assaulted by her subordinate nonetheless?

What the fuck, George.

[astormofsilk]

@scndor liked for a starter

She knew that he hadn’t wanted to be here.

Her mother and sister had managed to wiggle a dinner between themselves and the Clegane’s, no doubt an attempt to gain a marriage offer. Her mother made it loudly known that any marriage offer she got would be taken to get Lollys out from underfoot and stop her from embarrassing them further. She didn’t say anything as they spoke amongst each about how lucky they would be if they could get this, knowing that it wouldn’t happen.

Still when she met with Sandor she tried to give him a bright smile, but with the knowledge of how the dinner was going to go it was hard. Her mother and sister spoke over her as they talked to Sandor, making excuses for her looser clothing and the tangles that were still present at the ends of her hair. She could hear the words ‘lackwit’ and ‘dull’ a few times, ignoring it as she looked over the food offered. Despite what most thought Lollys was fairly thin under her dresses, often forgetting to eat or simply unable to handle the food brought to her. Her mother eventually had given up trying to sort what she could or couldn’t eat, and simply kept her on the blandest diet of food that tasted like dust but she could easily handle the texture of them better.

She could see some foods she knew she could handle eating, as well as a few new ones she had never tried before. Her plate was soon filled by a servant and Lollys took a moment separating out the foods that she knew she didn’t like from the ones she did and the new ones to try. Lollys didn’t feel bad for ignoring the conversation, knowing that her mother wouldn’t get what she wanted anyway. Humming to herself she tried one of the new foods, trying desperately not to make a face at the texture of it.

Pushing that to the side along with the other foods she didn’t like Lollys looked up when she felt eyes on her, and saw Sandor had noticed when she had done. Blushing gently she looked back at her plate, glancing up slightly to see if he had stopped paying attention to her again. When he was still looking she gave him a weak smile. “Yes?” She questioned, hoping her mother wouldn’t hear her talking.

[sansaissteel]

[themockingpoint]

I think it’s actually Baelish, not Varys. (This is not my theory I just believe it) like everything else that happens in this riot that he goes missing during directly benefited Littlefinger.

Santigar killed? He knew about the Catspaw dagger

Lollys raped? Her mother was pushing for a marriage between Lollys and Baelish. Now Baelish has an excuse not to. With what he did to Jeyne Poole I have no doubt that he’d be callous enough to do the same here.

High Septon Killed? Baelish repeatedly spoke about how hard it was to negotiate with him. Gets him out of the way.

Greenfield killed? Opens up a slot in the Kingsguard for Loras to take, a bargaining chip Baelish used.

Like Varys, Littlefinger has his own ambitions and his own teenage ruler he wishes to make royal. It would make sense that he has someone that can take charge of a kingdom in his back pocket.

(Plus Varys was specifically named as a suspect. To me that makes it as likely as Ashara being Jon’s mother)

OPERATION ICEBERG: THE TIER LIST

THEORY:

Varys has Tyrek Lannister

TIER:

People's Choice!

Stumpy note: This is one of those times when I don't think you should pay close attention to my definitions. I don't want to influence your vote, but I just want to say that sometimes something can be extremely likely without there being mountains of evidence. For instance, consider a theory like the Hound being the gravedigger.

Strong Contender: These theories have a lot of textual support, but there are still some elements of uncertainty.

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Possible: These theories could be true, but additional evidence is needed, as different interpretations or errors are possible.

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Under Consideration: These theories haven't garnered strong or extensive evidence, but they're worthy of discussion.

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EVIDENCE:

First, who is Tyrek Lannister?

Son of Darlessa Marbrand and Tygett Lannister, Tywin Lannister's brother.

Handsome with long golden curls, roughly the same age as Sansa.

Served as Robert Baratheon's squire.

Married Lady Ermesande Hayford to secure her lands for House Lannister.

His bride, Ermesande, is an infant.

Moving on to the key points.

Stannis and Renly Baratheon block King's Landing's food supplies, causing widespread unrest. On the day Princess Myrcella leaves for Dorne, a mob attacks the royal party, sparking a riot.

Tyrek was in attendance and goes missing in the chaos.

"Ser Preston is not returned," Ser Boros Blount reported, "nor Aron Santagar." "Nor Wet Nurse," said Ser Horas Redwyne. That was the mocking name the other squires had hung on young Tyrek Lannister. - Tyrion IX, ACOK

And stays missing.

Tyrek was still missing, as was the High Septon's crystal crown. Nine gold cloaks had been slain, two score wounded. No one had troubled to count how many of the mob had died. "I want Tyrek found, alive or dead," Tyrion said curtly when Bywater was done. "He's no more than a boy. Son to my late uncle Tygett. His father was always kind to me." "We'll find him. The septon's crown as well." - Tyrion IX, ACOK

This mystery continues into the next book.

"Aye. I fear I did not leave him in the best of moods. Lord Tywin feels forty-four hundred guardsmen more than sufficient to find one lost squire, but your cousin Tyrek remains missing." Tyrek was the son of his late Uncle Tygett, a boy of thirteen. He had vanished in the riot, not long after wedding the Lady Ermesande, a suckling babe who happened to be the last surviving heir of House Hayford. And likely the first bride in the history of the Seven Kingdoms to be widowed before she was weaned. "I couldn't find him either," confessed Tyrion. - Tyrion I, ASOS

Suddenly, a throwaway detail: Varys, the master of whisperers and knower of all things, helped try to locate the young man.

"He's feeding worms," said Bronn with his usual tact. "Ironhand looked for him, and the eunuch rattled a nice fat purse. They had no more luck than we did. Give it up, ser." Ser Addam gazed at the sellsword with distaste. "Lord Tywin is stubborn where his blood is concerned. He will have the lad, alive or dead, and I mean to oblige him." He looked back to Tyrion. "You will find your father in his solar." - Tyrion I, ASOS

Then, another oddity: Varys the mummer puts on a bit of a performance.

"Alas, our beloved Tyrek has quite vanished, the poor brave lad." Varys sounded close to tears. - Tyrion III, ASOS

Not done yet, the author extends this mystery into A Feast for Crows. I can't give you an exact number of days, but at this point, Tyrek has been missing for a long time, and these people probably should have moved on.

Also, check out that ellipsis of truth.

The lady of the castle was a Lannister by marriage, a plump toddler who had been wed to his cousin Tyrek before she was a year old. Lady Ermesande was duly trotted out for their approval, all trussed up in a little gown of cloth-of-gold, with the green fretty and green pale wavy of House Hayford rendered in tiny beads of jade. But soon enough the girl began to squall, whereupon she was promptly whisked off to bed by her wet nurse. "Has there been no word of our Lord Tyrek?" her castellan asked as a course of trout was served. "None." Tyrek Lannister had vanished during the riots in King's Landing whilst Jaime himself was still captive at Riverrun. The boy would be fourteen by now, assuming he was still alive. "I led a search myself, at Lord Tywin's command," offered Addam Marbrand as he boned his fish, "but I found no more than Bywater had before me. The boy was last seen ahorse, when the press of the mob broke the line of gold cloaks. Afterward . . . well, his palfrey was found, but not the rider. Most like they pulled him down and slew him. But if that's so, where is his body? The mob let the other corpses lie, why not his?" "He would be of more value alive," suggested Strongboar. "Any Lannister would bring a hefty ransom." "No doubt," Marbrand agreed, "yet no ransom demand was ever made. The boy is simply gone." "The boy is dead." Jaime had drunk three cups of wine, and his golden hand seemed to be growing heavier and clumsier by the moment. A hook would serve me just as well. "If they realized whom they'd killed, no doubt they threw him in the river for fear of my father's wrath. They know the taste of that in King's Landing. Lord Tywin always paid his debts." "Always," Strongboar agreed, and that was the end of that. - Jaime III, AFFC

Finally, it happens: Jaime Lannister implicates Varys in the disappearance of Tyrek Lannister and openly questions why Varys wasn't present during the bread riots.

Also, another ellipsis of truth!

Yet afterward, alone in the tower room he had been offered for the night, Jaime found himself wondering. Tyrek had served King Robert as a squire, side by side with Lancel. Knowledge could be more valuable than gold, more deadly than a dagger. It was Varys he thought of then, smiling and smelling of lavender. The eunuch had agents and informers all over the city. It would have been a simple matter for him to arrange to have Tyrek snatched during the confusion . . . provided he knew beforehand that the mob was like to riot. And Varys knew all, or so he would have us believe. Yet he gave Cersei no warning of that riot. Nor did he ride down to the ships to see Myrcella off. - Jaime III, AFFC

You might remember that Varys also helped Gendry escape King's Landing and claims to have done the same for Aegon VI Targaryen.

Snatching young male nobles from King's Landing has become something of a hobby at this point. (Not to be outdone, Littlefinger has taken up the same pastime.)

"Here's something you don't know. It wasn't supposed to happen like it did. I was set to leave, wagons bought and loaded, and a man comes with a boy for me, and a purse of coin, and a message, never mind who it's from. Lord Eddard's to take the black, he says to me, wait, he'll be going with you. Why d'you think I was there? Only something went queer." - Arya I, ACOK

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The lad flushed. "That was not me. I told you. That was some tanner's son from Pisswater Bend whose mother died birthing him. His father sold him to Lord Varys for a jug of Arbor gold. He had other sons but had never tasted Arbor gold. Varys gave the Pisswater boy to my lady mother and carried me away." - Tyrion VI, ADWD

Lastly, in 2001, George R. R. Martin pulled a George R. R. Martin.

Was "file Tyrek" closed in ASOS with the hint that he ended in a bowl of stew? Maybe he did. Maybe he didn't. - George R. R. Martin

(To my knowledge, it has never been hinted that Tyrek ended up in a bowl of stew.)

COUNTER-EVIDENCE:

Maybe Littlefinger has him?

On a serious note, this is a totally realistic scenario:

"If they realized whom they'd killed, no doubt they threw him in the river for fear of my father's wrath. They know the taste of that in King's Landing. Lord Tywin always paid his debts." - Jaime III, AFFC

STUMPY'S THOUGHTS:

Two more and Varys gets his boyband.

Remember everyone, sometimes: quality > quantity.

VOTE:

NEXT THEORY:

Tysha is the Sailor's Wife

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Bronn Blackwater and Lollys Stokeworth🤎💚

[agentrouka-blog]

Can Jon take Sansa’s name by marriage? Even if he could, to me, it seems that he’ll remain as a snow, (yk he’s motherless, friendless, oathbreaker, turncloak, etc etc, all his speech of that), so if they have children, then they will be bastards? Or is it possible that they inherit their mother’s name? (Maybe King Bran ends up legitimizing them) The whole topic of bastardy and names is very interesting but confusing 😭😭😭😭😭😭

While it is not common, I don't think it would be utterly unthinkable for a man to take his wife's family name, especially if he is a bastard and she is of a nominally higher rank. Though that wouldn't be strictly necessary. Jon could remain a Snow and have Stark children if he is married to a Stark.

Bronn doesn't take the last name Stokeworth when he marries Lollys, but any child they have together is bound to be a Stokeworth, most likely.

Changing one's name is definitely possible, in general:

"I will, ser," said Leobald, and only then raised the matter of Lady Hornwood. Poor thing, with no husband to defend her lands nor son to inherit. His own lady wife was a Hornwood, sister to the late Lord Halys, doubtless they recalled. "An empty hall is a sad one. I had a thought to send my younger son to Lady Donella to foster as her own. Beren is near ten, a likely lad, and her own nephew. He would cheer her, I am certain, and perhaps he would even take the name Hornwood . . ." (ACOK, Bran II)

A child born in wedlock is not a bastard, even if a parent is a bastard. And people have changed their last names specifically to make this distinction:

 "She was the fairest treasure of the Maidenvault. Lord Oakenfist the great admiral lost his heart to her, though he was married to another. She gave their son the bastard name of 'Waters' in honor of his father, and he grew to be a great knight, as did his own son, who put the 'Long' before the 'Waters' so men might know that he was not basely born himself. So I have a little dragon in me." (AFFC, Jaime I)

Then there's the story of the Karstarks, whose name evolved from the original Stark name (though no bastardy was involved).

Names can be flexible.

Plus, by the time we get toward the ending of the books, there is bound to be room for some changes in social mores and traditions, given the levels of general upheaval. They will not just return to the old status quo completely. Not in terms of female inheritance, probably, and not in terms of bastardy.

[lovedreamer11]

Where did the idea come from that Jaehaera could be a great queen, or a powerful consort like Alysanne?

I don’t hate the little innocent girl (I’m not Alicent), but let’s admit the truth. Even if we don't take into account the traumatic events that the princess went through during the war, the book said that there was something wrong with Jaehaera from the moment she was born. She didn't cry or laugh, she grew up slowly, and on the asoiaf wiki website Jaehaera is listed in the category of nobles lackwits, just like Princess Gael, Princess Vaella, Lady Lollys Stokeworth, Lady Beatrice Butterwell, Robin Greyjoy.

Can you please tell me if Jaehaera could rule the country on her own or be an influential politician?

Aegon was truly the best candidate to become ruler.